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Lidocaine Patch
Filed under: Home Business, Internet Marketing, Make Money Online; Tagged as: internet marketing strategies, internet marketing strategy, strategic internet marketing14 CommentsLidocaine patch, I've had a lot of time to do a lot of thinking about this industry (IM) since the passing of my mother on June 1 of this year. I don't like a lot of what I see...as I am sure a lot of people reading this blog post don't as well. Sometimes I get the feeling that I'm watching "The Blue and the Gray" on the A&E channel.
It's that ugly out there.
Customers screaming at product creators for creating crappy products, using unethical marketing tactics and doing just about anything that they can to make the sale...at all costs. Product creators screaming about customers buying products and refunding two seconds later or about how customers are so unreasonable with their requests, lidocaine patch.
The war goes on and on and on.
Well, I have a news flash for those on both sides of this war.
If you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem.
Buyers
I'm going to put a lot of this on you, like it or not. Lidocaine patch, Sure, there is a lot of crap being sold out there. I myself have bought it so I know. And yes, there are some really shady marketing practices going on. I won't list them all because we all know what they are.
But guess what.
If you don't open up your mouth and say something (preferably do something) then nothing is going to change, lidocaine patch.
This means...
1. When you buy a crappy product, Kenalog lidocaine, return it and never buy from that person again. If enough people do this product creators will be forced to actually create something worth while. Lidocaine patch, 2. When you see a marketing tactic that you don't like, boycott that person's products. Get off their list(s). Don't support that person. Let them know that you don't approve of their methods.
3, lidocaine patch. When you don't receive support that you were promised for a product, don't buy from that person again. It is so easy to promise things but very hard to follow through on those promises without putting in a degree of effort...something a lot of people have problems doing.
4. When you've been promised content for joining a list and don't get it but instead just get sales pitch after sales pitch...unsubscribe. Lidocaine patch, Send a message to the person.
In short, if you feel that a marketer is not providing a quality product or service and is using methods that are less than honorable, it is YOUR responsibility to do YOUR part to put a stop to it. Maybe if enough people said...
"I'm not supporting you any longer"
These people would have no choice but to change their ways.
Again, if you're not part of the solution...you're part of the problem.
Sellers
You have a responsibility as well, lidocaine patch. You are working in an industry with a lousy reputation...like it or not. Therefore, when is lidocaine prescribed, it is YOUR responsibility to:
1. Create quality products.
2. Lidocaine patch, Offer competent customer support.
3. Use ethical marketing tactics.If you don't do these things, you TOO are part of the problem and the reason why buyers are going to bitch so much.
Yes, I know...there will be people who you won't ever be able to please. They will find fault with everything you do, lidocaine patch. As hard as I try to always create quality products and market in an ethical way, I have people who email me for refunds and tell me that they don't like what I do.
But those people are very few and far in between.
Is it because I'm so good. Or is it because people are so apathetic that they don't bother telling me that I'm screwing up. Lidocaine patch, I have NO WAY OF KNOWING if you don't open your mouth and say something.
Okay, got it. We are ALL part of the problem if we don't speak up and let each side know what we don't like. And sellers, if you run into serial refunders, Lidocaine nursing consideration, ban them from buying from you again. Don't just "chalk it up" to the cost of doing business.
That's BS, lidocaine patch.
Again, if you're NOT part of the solution...you're part of the problem.
Together...we can clean up this dirty industry.
One protest at a time.
To YOUR Success,
Steven Wagenheim.
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14 Responses to “Lidocaine Patch”
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Guess you are right on the nail with this one….
If you don’t speak up, you are condoning it…
So it does come from both sides. Yes, you will get the odd person “crying wolf”…
But the statistics will tell the truth.
Good point.
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Hi Steve,
You are correct concerning this subject. I have only ever asked for a refund once in the last 7 years and that was because I felt the product was totally mis-represented. Since then I pretty much do what you suggest, get off the list and ignore their products.
I contacted a “guru” once and called him out on a testimonial that was given for a product. You know that friends don’t let friends put out products without endorsing them and usually without testing them. In any case all this guy did was yell at me and tell me that I was out of line for calling him on his testimonial. He exhibited, what I would consider customer service at it’s worst. I actually tried to explain why I said what I said but because he was the “guru” and I was only a complainer he ignored, chastised and told me to get off his list.
What an idiot! Why would you tell anyone to get off your list? Fix the problem, or at least communicate in a calm and reasonable manner. I can tell you that anyone who asks me personally about this specific person I tell them to stay far away. Now maybe that doesn’t hurt right away but it does hurt, and it does mar his reputation.
If enough people (as you say) were to boycott certain publishers then they would have no sales. After all the gurus don’t buy from the gurus, they only help each other sell to the masses.
In case you didn’t notice I am on your side of the fence. It is our responsibility to research a publisher as well as the product before purchasing and make good, reasoned decisions.
Thanks for the post,
Rick
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Well said Steven!
May I repost your post, on my weblog, please?
(With a link back, of course)Be Well!
ECS Dave -
Well said Steven–couldn’t agree more.
I have lived that myself, spending literally thousands on products that are not good enough and the worst thing, no one around to help when I have a question, so I know exactly what you’re talking about.
What you’ve said is 100% true and I like the way you expressed it–clear, to the point.
Thanks and keep up the good work!
Dagmar
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Hi Steven,
A very thought provoking post.
I agree almost entirely with what you are saying.
A lot of the problems possibly occur because we are transacting business on the Internet (unlike ‘face to face trade’ which has gone on for thousands of years), so some people, both buyers and sellers feel that they can do almost as they please, because of geographical distance, different cultures, different local laws and the indifference to and lacking of, government understanding of trade on the Internet.
There is also the issue of mind set. Most people who are involved in the IM niche are either established or aspiring entrepreneurs. The problem is that a lot of aspiring marketers have a consumer mind set and can’t make that all important step to adopting a business oriented mind set.
“Together…we can clean up this dirty industry.”
I’m not so sure about the inclusion of the word “dirty”, but I concur otherwise. There are probably more ethical and honorable people on the Internet, such as you (and I hope I), than there are unethical and dishonorable. Feedback though, as you imply throughout your post, is probably the only way to improve the reputation of the industry.
Just my thoughts,
Jeff Henshaw. -
Hi Steven,
I like you, because you are willing to just say your piece, letting the winds blow as they will. So my hat is off to you for showing some “guts” (B_ _ _ _) here.
I see you as a bit of a perfectionist, like me. Your heart is to produce great stuff, but your perfection-seeking approach, sometimes over-rides what could be a better product; a more simplified step-by-step presentation.
You certainly are not shy about promoting or selling your own goods. BUT I always appreciate that you do it in a manner that is not overly hyped. I still feel a bit like I’m being sold too much though. But if you critiqued me, I’d be in big danger, so please take that as constructive commentary.
But something I truly appreciate very much about you, is that you have not been corrupted by what I see as a bit of an IM syndicate.
FIRST, I DO NOT BUY the statement, “it’s not your fault.” You always remain a victim with that kind of mentality. Buyers beware! IM product purchases must be scrutinized prior to purchase. Be sure to evaluate the essential key ingredients, the fundamentals. Do not buy into all of the hype. Start opting out of marketing email messages that add subject line afer subject line of hype in your preferred email inbox.
Back in the late 70′s and early 80′s, all kinds of “no money down” real estate seminars popped-up. I won’t mention names. They hyped their messages just as we see with today’s IM gurus.
The current get rich IM big-wig cross promotions looks identical. Big ticket seminars to boot.
I see the same kind of “top players patting each others backs” system, playing out within the “get rich internet marketing arena.”
I put most of the blame, on the side of greedy “so-called” gurus. Hype upon hype invades my email inbox day after day. Check you inbox and you see giveaway JV promo after promo eagerly supporting each other, knowing they gain immediate double (or more) exposure by simply chiming-in, all at the expense of “buyer beware’ and quality – as you pointed out.
What I think would be nice (but unlikely), is if a number of so-called gurus joined hands and went renegade, sounding off warning bells about such insider schemes, thus prompting an inner-circle of only credible marketers, and blowing the whistle (from the inside) ON HYPE.
Some of the best IM material I’ve happened upon comes from non-hype experts. How about joining hands and blowing the whistle on all of the nonsense?
That is my 2 cents.
Cheers!
Jim -
Very good article Steven. Straight to the point and spot on!
One of the tactics that bugs me is when you have purchased a product/membership and no longer want to recieve 15 emails a day from the same source from different membership sites, if you click the “unsubscribe” button, it not only unsubscribes you from the newsletter, it also terminates the membership you have already paid for.
So, to continue access to a membership site you have to put up with all the garbage offers on a daily basis.
This should be outlawed.
When I sent a help desk ticket to this “guru” I was basically told, too bad. Stay subscribed or loose your access. That’s just how we do business.
And that is just ONE of my pet peeves.
I’d love to see others comment on this with some of YOUR “IM Horror” stories
Keep up the great articles
Allen
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Because I am a newbie myself, I find it hard to come down on other beginners when I think they have erred, particularly when I can readily see that they are naive rather than dishonest. Discouraging someone who is sincerely trying can do a lot of psychological damage.
On the other hand, you are doing a kindness to point out shortcomings with the intent of stopping someone from continuing to make the same mistakes over and over.
For me, it’s rarely black and white, and I must admit to being a part of the problem most of the time.
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Great post, Steve! I wish more people would look at it the way you do.
Just because we’re on the Internet doesn’t mean we have to throw common sense out the window. If you buy something at an offline store and it doesn’t meet your expectations, you automatically take it back and let people know why. Most offline businesses also have some sort of refund policy in place so that customers can’t take advantage of them repeatedly. We can do the same thing online if we choose to.
Jenny
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Hey Steven,
You absolutely correct. I buy most of my products thru the Warrior Forum after reading reviews from other warriors. Most of the warriors care about each other that they would recommend a product after trying it out. That’s my two cents.
Spencer
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Yes Dave, you may. Glad you liked it. I tried to be as honest as I could about how I see things, though I am sure some will not agree.
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Well said, bravo!
I have started doing this too.
Has it ever occurred to you guys that most if not all the grey area marketing is directed at the IM niche?
Most if not all the crummy freebie PLR and ebooks available, all target the IM niche too?
My HDD is full of stuff that is worthless – That has taken time to read and which keeps me from doing the creative stuff that works out.
Not sent any of yours back though Steve (yet…) -
Two days ago I found a link to (Internet Marketing Score Card) IMScorecard.
They welcome reviews of products and of providers.
I shall also be complaining about time wasting tactics, like two videos and 6 pages before you find the price. 3 videos, a special report and 6 days of teasers before you realise it sounds better than it is!
If we all speak up and log complaints on this site, Digg etc the gurus will have places they can learn when to retire.
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thomas August 30th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Right on Steve! Finally, a respected marketer and WF member writes the truth about both sides of this business. Too many buyers have been intimidated to not return and get a refund products that are crap. Too many sellers are nothing more than money sharks taking advantage of an unregulated selling environment. Also, many buyers want to be on the other side someday – taking advantage of suckers and getting rich like the big boys.
What is beginning to happen is that because of this “wid west” atmosphere, government regulators and state attorney generals are getting involved. All thanks to the greed and lack of integrity of so many “marketers.”
The hidden truth is that even the good products being marketed, are of little help to people just learning the ropes of starting an internet based business. The curiosity of the newcomer and the ridiculous dreams that it is easy to make money online – consistently – lika a Steve Wagenheim does. It takes way more than many, many newcomers think to make a living online and no amount of mass control, traffic secrets, or motivational gurus are going to be of much help except to experienced marketers needing an extra boost, tweak, or assist.
Choose to emulate a real person doing their job cosistently and honestly and do what they do – then go for the bigger launches promoting their advanced stuff. Steve Wagenheim is the real deal.
